Comments on: This date in history: The Death of Zhou Enlai http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/08/this-date-in-history-the-death-of-zhou-enlai/ A Qing historian reads the newspaper... Sat, 02 Jul 2011 03:31:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Randomness #785D « walking without rhythm http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/08/this-date-in-history-the-death-of-zhou-enlai/comment-page-1/#comment-1443 Randomness #785D « walking without rhythm Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:33:43 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/?p=372#comment-1443 [...] Zhou Enlai was born today, 5th March 1898. He’s always struck me as the model civil servant and diplomat, managing to survive while Mao offed all his contemporaries. But what were Zhou’s internal struggles like? What kind of conscience did he have? I bought Gao Wenqian’s The Last Perfect Revolutionary with those questions and others in mind. Only managed to read a bit before being distracted by other books — should go back to it soon. [...] [...] Zhou Enlai was born today, 5th March 1898. He’s always struck me as the model civil servant and diplomat, managing to survive while Mao offed all his contemporaries. But what were Zhou’s internal struggles like? What kind of conscience did he have? I bought Gao Wenqian’s The Last Perfect Revolutionary with those questions and others in mind. Only managed to read a bit before being distracted by other books — should go back to it soon. [...]

]]> By: Frog in a Well - The Korea History Group Blog http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/08/this-date-in-history-the-death-of-zhou-enlai/comment-page-1/#comment-1338 Frog in a Well - The Korea History Group Blog Fri, 15 Feb 2008 12:13:52 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/?p=372#comment-1338 [...] opportunity to talk about the anniversary of Zhou Enlai’s death, with Jeremiah giving us an overview of some of the memorial images of his life and death. In his posting here at Frog in a Well, [...] [...] opportunity to talk about the anniversary of Zhou Enlai’s death, with Jeremiah giving us an overview of some of the memorial images of his life and death. In his posting here at Frog in a Well, [...]

]]> By: 花崗齋之愚公 http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/08/this-date-in-history-the-death-of-zhou-enlai/comment-page-1/#comment-1074 花崗齋之愚公 Mon, 14 Jan 2008 02:14:00 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/?p=372#comment-1074 I've heard that, too. It is a convenient way for the later regimes to separate themselves from the disastrous policies of the past without completely undermining their own legitimacy as successors. In China, the arrest and trial of the Gang of Four, served a similar purpose. <br/><br/>I've heard it thrown around in conversation from time to time, often with a dash of irony thrown in. <br/><br/>My--admittedly over simplistic rendering--might be that Mao was a good revolutionary leader in the field, but that doesn't always translate when it comes time to administer a state. <br/><br/>I wonder if a more ideal scenario would have been Mao stepping aside in the early 1950s (at the age of 60 or so) and letting men such as Zhou, Liu, and Deng run the country. To an extent, that's what happened in the early 1960s, but as we all know, Mao couldn't leave well enough alone. <br/><br/>Thanks for stopping by. I’ve heard that, too. It is a convenient way for the later regimes to separate themselves from the disastrous policies of the past without completely undermining their own legitimacy as successors. In China, the arrest and trial of the Gang of Four, served a similar purpose.

I’ve heard it thrown around in conversation from time to time, often with a dash of irony thrown in.

My–admittedly over simplistic rendering–might be that Mao was a good revolutionary leader in the field, but that doesn’t always translate when it comes time to administer a state.

I wonder if a more ideal scenario would have been Mao stepping aside in the early 1950s (at the age of 60 or so) and letting men such as Zhou, Liu, and Deng run the country. To an extent, that’s what happened in the early 1960s, but as we all know, Mao couldn’t leave well enough alone.

Thanks for stopping by.

]]> By: JL http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/08/this-date-in-history-the-death-of-zhou-enlai/comment-page-1/#comment-1071 JL Sun, 13 Jan 2008 09:36:00 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/?p=372#comment-1071 I have heard that the 70:30 judgment of Mao was actually a repetition of Krushchev's judgment of Stalin -but I'm not familiar enough with Russian history to know if that's true or not. Do you know?<br/>Also, while it might never have been officially revised, you almost never hear that 70:30 formula used any more. I don't think I have ever seen it used by the media, or referred to in conversation. -I always think a better formula would be 100% good: 90% bad. I have heard that the 70:30 judgment of Mao was actually a repetition of Krushchev’s judgment of Stalin -but I’m not familiar enough with Russian history to know if that’s true or not. Do you know?
Also, while it might never have been officially revised, you almost never hear that 70:30 formula used any more. I don’t think I have ever seen it used by the media, or referred to in conversation. -I always think a better formula would be 100% good: 90% bad.

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