Comments on: The Historical Record for January 29, 2008: Qing Dynasty reforms, Qu Qiubai, and Deng Xiaoping in the USA http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/ A Qing historian reads the newspaper... Sat, 02 Jul 2011 03:31:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Jeremiah http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-1201 Jeremiah Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:39:10 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/#comment-1201 Liyang, Nice catch. You are right. The Empress Dowager launched her counter-coup from the Summer Palace, but she detained the Guangxu Emperor on a small island called 瀛臺 (Yingtai) in Zhongnanhai. Thanks for the tip! Liyang,

Nice catch. You are right. The Empress Dowager launched her counter-coup from the Summer Palace, but she detained the Guangxu Emperor on a small island called 瀛臺 (Yingtai) in Zhongnanhai.

Thanks for the tip!

]]> By: Liyang http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-1200 Liyang Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:32:00 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/#comment-1200 Was the emperor detained in the Summer Palace? My memory tells me that it should be somewhere in Zhongnanhai. Was the emperor detained in the Summer Palace? My memory tells me that it should be somewhere in Zhongnanhai.

]]> By: Jeremiah http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-1191 Jeremiah Tue, 29 Jan 2008 14:03:59 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/#comment-1191 Rick, Glad you stumbled in this direction and welcome! Rick,

Glad you stumbled in this direction and welcome!

]]> By: rick http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-1190 rick Tue, 29 Jan 2008 13:27:44 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/#comment-1190 HI, just stumbled on to your site. I think I will be checking in w/ some frequency, especially since the US media has such poor coverage of news from China - the "if it didn't happen here, in the US, it's not news " mentality (of course, they no longer do a good job of reporting what goes on here, but that's...) Also, I have been interested in Chinese history for years, but am certainly not truly knowledgeable on the subject, so I appreciate your commentary on the subject. HI, just stumbled on to your site. I think I will be checking in w/ some frequency, especially since the US media has such poor coverage of news from China – the “if it didn’t happen here, in the US, it’s not news ” mentality (of course, they no longer do a good job of reporting what goes on here, but that’s…) Also, I have been interested in Chinese history for years, but am certainly not truly knowledgeable on the subject, so I appreciate your commentary on the subject.

]]> By: Jeremiah http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/comment-page-1/#comment-1180 Jeremiah Tue, 29 Jan 2008 05:48:21 +0000 http://granitestudio.org/2008/01/29/the-historical-record-for-january-29-2008-qing-dynasty-reforms-qu-qiubai-and-deng-xiaoping-in-the-usa/#comment-1180 Falen, I actually have 走向共和 here on DVD, it's one of my all-time favorites. It's fun to watch, historically I have some quibbles. The basis of the argument "blame Confucianism" was central to Mary Wright's classic on the Self-Strengthening Movement, The Last Stand of Chinese Conservatism published in 1957.. Subsequent scholarship in the PRC, Taiwan, Japan and the US has built on her groundbreaking work, while at the same time problematizing her analysis. It's too easy to fall into the May 4 trap of blaming Confucius. But speaking of ZXGH, I recall when it came out there were some lively debates on the BBSs over its interpretation of some of the key figures at the time, especially Cixi and Yuan Shikai. Fascinating back and forth. Finally, I would agree that they saw the urgency of the reforms but (and doesn't this seem rather timely?) they were afraid that the kinds of reforms necessary might ultimately weaken their overall legitimacy and hold on power. Thanks for your thoughtful comment and for stopping by. Falen,

I actually have 走向共和 here on DVD, it’s one of my all-time favorites. It’s fun to watch, historically I have some quibbles. The basis of the argument “blame Confucianism” was central to Mary Wright’s classic on the Self-Strengthening Movement, The Last Stand of Chinese Conservatism published in 1957.. Subsequent scholarship in the PRC, Taiwan, Japan and the US has built on her groundbreaking work, while at the same time problematizing her analysis. It’s too easy to fall into the May 4 trap of blaming Confucius.

But speaking of ZXGH, I recall when it came out there were some lively debates on the BBSs over its interpretation of some of the key figures at the time, especially Cixi and Yuan Shikai. Fascinating back and forth.

Finally, I would agree that they saw the urgency of the reforms but (and doesn’t this seem rather timely?) they were afraid that the kinds of reforms necessary might ultimately weaken their overall legitimacy and hold on power.

Thanks for your thoughtful comment and for stopping by.

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