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	<title>Comments on: Voices about the Past: Paul Cohen on a China-centered history</title>
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		<title>By: Coming Distractions: Speaking to History</title>
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		<dc:creator>Coming Distractions: Speaking to History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 00:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Coming Distractions: Speaking to History  Paul A. Cohen, professor of history emeritus at Wellesley College and also an associate at the Harvard Fairbank Center, has long been interested in not just what happened but also how historians tell the stories of the past. As one of the strongest advocates for China-centered historical work, Cohen has explored this tension between history and its telling in works that sometimes reveal unknown stories and sometimes confound the traditional tellings of well-known historical events. These earlier works include China Unbound: Evolving Perspectives on the Chinese Past, History in Three Keys: The Boxers as Event, Experience, and Myth, China and Christianity, and Discovering History in China. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Coming Distractions: Speaking to History  Paul A. Cohen, professor of history emeritus at Wellesley College and also an associate at the Harvard Fairbank Center, has long been interested in not just what happened but also how historians tell the stories of the past. As one of the strongest advocates for China-centered historical work, Cohen has explored this tension between history and its telling in works that sometimes reveal unknown stories and sometimes confound the traditional tellings of well-known historical events. These earlier works include China Unbound: Evolving Perspectives on the Chinese Past, History in Three Keys: The Boxers as Event, Experience, and Myth, China and Christianity, and Discovering History in China. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: J B</title>
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		<dc:creator>J B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a bit random, but is there much Korean scholarship into Chinese history as well?  Much is made of the importance of Japanese scholarship, but the Koreans must have a similar interest in Chinese history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a bit random, but is there much Korean scholarship into Chinese history as well?  Much is made of the importance of Japanese scholarship, but the Koreans must have a similar interest in Chinese history.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peony,

In fact there has been some work done by Japanese scholars on anti-missionary incidents in China, some of it I hope to be able to integrate into my own dissertation research...once my Japanese gets to where it needs to be.  (It&#039;s currently being sidetracked by my studying Manchu.)

I&#039;ve read the Spence book, and we have a Chinese version somewhere around the house here.  I haven&#039;t read the Castiglione book, but I do love his paintings.  Some of his artwork (or reproductions thereof) hang in the Forbidden City and I believe that he designed the western-style palace at Yuanmingyuan.  Thanks for the suggestion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peony,</p>
<p>In fact there has been some work done by Japanese scholars on anti-missionary incidents in China, some of it I hope to be able to integrate into my own dissertation research&#8230;once my Japanese gets to where it needs to be.  (It&#8217;s currently being sidetracked by my studying Manchu.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read the Spence book, and we have a Chinese version somewhere around the house here.  I haven&#8217;t read the Castiglione book, but I do love his paintings.  Some of his artwork (or reproductions thereof) hang in the Forbidden City and I believe that he designed the western-style palace at Yuanmingyuan.  Thanks for the suggestion.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
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		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m re-reading Spence&#039;s Memory Palace right now and was just thinking, I wonder if Japanese historians are interested in this area of Western missionaries in China? Maybe? 

In my own projects, I have 2 areas I am interested in related to Chinese history and read 95% in Japanese with the other 5% in english. The Japanese scholars do such an outstanding job-- not just comprehensive and detailed studies but extraordinarily well-written as well. (Oh, if only our own scholars would try and write more like spence and Jeremiah!) So, I find that it is a better environment for me to read and think in-- 

NHK-- of course-- rivals the BBC in its aim to raise the educational standards of the general public-- I think I read on the BBC site something about, &quot;an aim to uplift&quot;...
And, you just cannot help but think: &quot;Didn&#039;t the US use to have public TV?&quot; The last PBS documentary I saw (on bamiyan) was so bad (done a la Hollywood), I wanted to turn it off. 

In the two small areas of history I am particularly interested in, my impressions (related to J&#039;s comment just above) have been 1) English language sources are surprsingly insular (Chinese/Japanese-- even Europrean translations into English are few) and 2) the Japanese for their part are not only less insular but often times they work with NHK or even private TV to produce book-documentary pairs-- so history seems more alive here-- that is to say it is more accessible to the general public.  

Finally, of course, the Japanese are really in love with narrative history and historical literature-- both genres are huge here.

J., I enjoyed this post very much! How about a &quot;Missionary of the week&quot; series...like I said, I am re-reading Matteo Ricci .... Do you have this book,  btw, Giuseppe Castiglione: A Jesuit Painter at the Court of the Chinese Emperors? (beurdeley)

PS also a personal impression, but I have not found the same to be so in English-language Chinese art history scholarship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m re-reading Spence&#8217;s Memory Palace right now and was just thinking, I wonder if Japanese historians are interested in this area of Western missionaries in China? Maybe? </p>
<p>In my own projects, I have 2 areas I am interested in related to Chinese history and read 95% in Japanese with the other 5% in english. The Japanese scholars do such an outstanding job&#8211; not just comprehensive and detailed studies but extraordinarily well-written as well. (Oh, if only our own scholars would try and write more like spence and Jeremiah!) So, I find that it is a better environment for me to read and think in&#8211; </p>
<p>NHK&#8211; of course&#8211; rivals the BBC in its aim to raise the educational standards of the general public&#8211; I think I read on the BBC site something about, &#8220;an aim to uplift&#8221;&#8230;<br />
And, you just cannot help but think: &#8220;Didn&#8217;t the US use to have public TV?&#8221; The last PBS documentary I saw (on bamiyan) was so bad (done a la Hollywood), I wanted to turn it off. </p>
<p>In the two small areas of history I am particularly interested in, my impressions (related to J&#8217;s comment just above) have been 1) English language sources are surprsingly insular (Chinese/Japanese&#8211; even Europrean translations into English are few) and 2) the Japanese for their part are not only less insular but often times they work with NHK or even private TV to produce book-documentary pairs&#8211; so history seems more alive here&#8211; that is to say it is more accessible to the general public.  </p>
<p>Finally, of course, the Japanese are really in love with narrative history and historical literature&#8211; both genres are huge here.</p>
<p>J., I enjoyed this post very much! How about a &#8220;Missionary of the week&#8221; series&#8230;like I said, I am re-reading Matteo Ricci &#8230;. Do you have this book,  btw, Giuseppe Castiglione: A Jesuit Painter at the Court of the Chinese Emperors? (beurdeley)</p>
<p>PS also a personal impression, but I have not found the same to be so in English-language Chinese art history scholarship.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;i hope that eventually we see a concerted effort to translate chinese historical scholarship into english to match the project currently going on to translate english scholarship into chinese.&quot;

Wu Ming,

THAT is a subject for a whole other post I&#039;m working on at the moment and I totally agree.  How many Chinese historians of China were on your comps list?  Had they all shown up for my orals, my list of Chinese Chinese historians could have fit in the back seat of a Xiali and that&#039;s not a good thing.  

I totally here you on the Japan thing.  Amen, brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;i hope that eventually we see a concerted effort to translate chinese historical scholarship into english to match the project currently going on to translate english scholarship into chinese.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wu Ming,</p>
<p>THAT is a subject for a whole other post I&#8217;m working on at the moment and I totally agree.  How many Chinese historians of China were on your comps list?  Had they all shown up for my orals, my list of Chinese Chinese historians could have fit in the back seat of a Xiali and that&#8217;s not a good thing.  </p>
<p>I totally here you on the Japan thing.  Amen, brother.</p>
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