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	<title>Comments on: Yang Jisheng&#8217;s Tombstone: Coming to terms with a father&#8217;s death and the legacy of the &#8220;Great Leap Forward&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: zhwj</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how many manuscripts about that era are floating around? Maybe not as comprehensively researched as Yang&#039;s new book, but think of how many journalists had access to government figures that they weren&#039;t permitted to publish, or even the statisticians themselves. I read a manuscript by last year by Zhang Guangyou, who was a journalist with Xinhua at the time and later accompanied Wan Li on his inspection tours. It was half memoir - with some truly horrifying eyewitness and second-hand accounts - and half statistics, an attempt to calculate the death totals on the basis of various sources of information. There have got to be similar unpublished books sitting in at the bottom of drawers all across the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how many manuscripts about that era are floating around? Maybe not as comprehensively researched as Yang&#8217;s new book, but think of how many journalists had access to government figures that they weren&#8217;t permitted to publish, or even the statisticians themselves. I read a manuscript by last year by Zhang Guangyou, who was a journalist with Xinhua at the time and later accompanied Wan Li on his inspection tours. It was half memoir &#8211; with some truly horrifying eyewitness and second-hand accounts &#8211; and half statistics, an attempt to calculate the death totals on the basis of various sources of information. There have got to be similar unpublished books sitting in at the bottom of drawers all across the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wu Ming,

Very good point.  Thanks for raising a complex issue...the complicity of those who remained silent when tragedy unfolds is a tough one for historians and obviously a very touchy subject for those whom such events are not very far removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wu Ming,</p>
<p>Very good point.  Thanks for raising a complex issue&#8230;the complicity of those who remained silent when tragedy unfolds is a tough one for historians and obviously a very touchy subject for those whom such events are not very far removed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete,

Yeah, you can find a copy of the Jung Chang/Halliday book almost everywhere, even at a major cafe/bookstore here in Beijing.  

Hope Yang&#039;s book pops up sooner than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,</p>
<p>Yeah, you can find a copy of the Jung Chang/Halliday book almost everywhere, even at a major cafe/bookstore here in Beijing.  </p>
<p>Hope Yang&#8217;s book pops up sooner than later.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://granitestudio.org/2008/08/13/yang-jishengs-tombstone-coming-to-terms-with-a-fathers-death-and-the-legacy-of-the-great-leap-forward/comment-page-1/#comment-3492</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry,

Agreed.  I think historical research shouldn&#039;t shirk from uncovering the dark spots in our shared human existence, no matter where, by or to whom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry,</p>
<p>Agreed.  I think historical research shouldn&#8217;t shirk from uncovering the dark spots in our shared human existence, no matter where, by or to whom.</p>
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		<title>By: wu ming</title>
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		<dc:creator>wu ming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the rather more compelling question, IMO (and one which i hope the author of this book is able to provide some sort of insight, if not answer) is not so much in the acts of the leadership but rather why an entire nation collectively acted to starve itself.

that mao did some monstrous things is hardly news. what still boggles my mind is how people within that process sustained, intensified, and perhaps even worked to soften or ameliorate the great leap and/or the cultural revolution. the why is more fascinating (and potentially far more horrifying) to puzzle out than merely the what.

even totalitarian states depend on the consent of the governed to persist and enforce policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the rather more compelling question, IMO (and one which i hope the author of this book is able to provide some sort of insight, if not answer) is not so much in the acts of the leadership but rather why an entire nation collectively acted to starve itself.</p>
<p>that mao did some monstrous things is hardly news. what still boggles my mind is how people within that process sustained, intensified, and perhaps even worked to soften or ameliorate the great leap and/or the cultural revolution. the why is more fascinating (and potentially far more horrifying) to puzzle out than merely the what.</p>
<p>even totalitarian states depend on the consent of the governed to persist and enforce policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Munson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Munson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;ve not seen &quot;Tombstone&quot;,  Mao&#039;s insane policies in the Great Leap Forward, and their results, are well known to those paying attention to China in the 50&#039;s and 60&#039;s.  Since the number of deaths can never be substantiated, it&#039;s entirely possible that the Cultural Revolution of the 60&#039;s led to even more casualties than the Great Leap as Mao employed the energy and naiveté of China&#039;s youth to resume his rampage.  It seems likely, then, that on the scoreboard,Stalin should be regarded as an also-ran when it comes to homicidal achievements.

But does this give any nation the right to feel holier than Mao?  Spain&#039;s campaigns against the essentially unarmed Mayans and Incas, America&#039;s near elimination of its native population, the Christianity-driven Inquisition and Crusades, Ghengis Khan&#039;s pillaging, Hitler&#039;s drive toward Aryan supremacy, Pol Pot&#039;s genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the Viking raids, Australia&#039;s near extermination of its aborigines, the Japanese murder of civilians in WWII  (the list is endless) prove that murder on a large scale is a sport of Olympian proportions in which  nearly all powerful nations engage.

Mao should never be forgiven for his unspeakable atrocities.  Nor should we congratulate ourselves that we have done something particularly useful in rediscovering the vastness of his crimes.  Instead, we might better spend our time exploring what it is about men&#039;s nature that makes killing such an irresistible pastime.  First diagnose. Then prescribe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;ve not seen &#8220;Tombstone&#8221;,  Mao&#8217;s insane policies in the Great Leap Forward, and their results, are well known to those paying attention to China in the 50&#8242;s and 60&#8242;s.  Since the number of deaths can never be substantiated, it&#8217;s entirely possible that the Cultural Revolution of the 60&#8242;s led to even more casualties than the Great Leap as Mao employed the energy and naiveté of China&#8217;s youth to resume his rampage.  It seems likely, then, that on the scoreboard,Stalin should be regarded as an also-ran when it comes to homicidal achievements.</p>
<p>But does this give any nation the right to feel holier than Mao?  Spain&#8217;s campaigns against the essentially unarmed Mayans and Incas, America&#8217;s near elimination of its native population, the Christianity-driven Inquisition and Crusades, Ghengis Khan&#8217;s pillaging, Hitler&#8217;s drive toward Aryan supremacy, Pol Pot&#8217;s genocide, the Rwandan genocide, the Viking raids, Australia&#8217;s near extermination of its aborigines, the Japanese murder of civilians in WWII  (the list is endless) prove that murder on a large scale is a sport of Olympian proportions in which  nearly all powerful nations engage.</p>
<p>Mao should never be forgiven for his unspeakable atrocities.  Nor should we congratulate ourselves that we have done something particularly useful in rediscovering the vastness of his crimes.  Instead, we might better spend our time exploring what it is about men&#8217;s nature that makes killing such an irresistible pastime.  First diagnose. Then prescribe.</p>
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		<title>By: EK</title>
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		<dc:creator>EK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s amazing, disturbing, shies from nothing, and so personal. Hope the translation comes out as soon as possible so the mainstream US audiences can have a chance to see it for themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing, disturbing, shies from nothing, and so personal. Hope the translation comes out as soon as possible so the mainstream US audiences can have a chance to see it for themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How long did it take Mao: The Unknown Story to appear here? I know it was also banned, but now you can get it from any peddler on the street. They just store it binding-down. 

Anyway I&#039;ll get my of Tombstone in Taiwan in November, if not before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How long did it take Mao: The Unknown Story to appear here? I know it was also banned, but now you can get it from any peddler on the street. They just store it binding-down. </p>
<p>Anyway I&#8217;ll get my of Tombstone in Taiwan in November, if not before.</p>
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