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	<title>Comments on: Moderate Voices on the Sino-US Relationship</title>
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		<title>By: J B</title>
		<link>http://granitestudio.org/2009/02/04/moderate-voices-on-the-sino-us-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-11173</link>
		<dc:creator>J B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff.  Just wanted to say your promoting moderation and objectivity is why I like this blog- too many blogs out there are uncompromising and one-sided.
Also, your blog has got me considering going into history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff.  Just wanted to say your promoting moderation and objectivity is why I like this blog- too many blogs out there are uncompromising and one-sided.<br />
Also, your blog has got me considering going into history.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:01:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...okay, sorry for the last comment, it was out of line.  Busy day and I&#039;m inclined to impatience on such an afternoon as this.

It&#039;s hard to say what a &quot;Jewish&quot; name is.  &quot;Jed&quot; is usually short for either &quot;Josiah&quot; or &quot;Jedidiah,&quot; which like &quot;Jeremiah&quot; are both Old Testament biblical names.  I know your name comes from bahasa, but I just wanted to point out the difficulties of judging the provenance of names.  I actually don&#039;t know anyone either personally or historically who claimed to be Jewish who was named &quot;Jeremiah.&quot;  Doesn&#039;t mean they don&#039;t exist, just that it&#039;s more commonly associated with a particular era in US history. 

It&#039;s also, as my students have recently been fond of pointing out through song, the name of a rather famous frog.  Thank you, Three Dog Night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;okay, sorry for the last comment, it was out of line.  Busy day and I&#8217;m inclined to impatience on such an afternoon as this.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to say what a &#8220;Jewish&#8221; name is.  &#8220;Jed&#8221; is usually short for either &#8220;Josiah&#8221; or &#8220;Jedidiah,&#8221; which like &#8220;Jeremiah&#8221; are both Old Testament biblical names.  I know your name comes from bahasa, but I just wanted to point out the difficulties of judging the provenance of names.  I actually don&#8217;t know anyone either personally or historically who claimed to be Jewish who was named &#8220;Jeremiah.&#8221;  Doesn&#8217;t mean they don&#8217;t exist, just that it&#8217;s more commonly associated with a particular era in US history. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also, as my students have recently been fond of pointing out through song, the name of a rather famous frog.  Thank you, Three Dog Night.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://granitestudio.org/2009/02/04/moderate-voices-on-the-sino-us-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-10548</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I kind of like it that way actually.  Keeps the nut jobs away.

Speaking of which,

My name is not Jewish, sorry. (Though it is from the Old Testament)  It&#039;s actually an Old-timey New England Congregational name.  Best to brush up on your history AND your religions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I kind of like it that way actually.  Keeps the nut jobs away.</p>
<p>Speaking of which,</p>
<p>My name is not Jewish, sorry. (Though it is from the Old Testament)  It&#8217;s actually an Old-timey New England Congregational name.  Best to brush up on your history AND your religions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://granitestudio.org/2009/02/04/moderate-voices-on-the-sino-us-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-10545</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed,

I think you need to re-read my comment again where I discussed your message point for point.

At the risk of repeating myself:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;As for freedom of speech, an individual writer expressing a preference for a certain style or tone of debate is very different from a government proscribing dissent, I do hope you see that rather important distinction. Nobody said extreme voices should be silenced, only that one gets a headache listening to them.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


I think you&#039;ve gone a long way toward actually proving my point.

And yes, I will concede that the &quot;style point&quot; was a bit of cheap shot, for which I apologize, but when you come on a blog without having read anything (even the post under discussion -- hence your lecturing General Li on Chinese history), well, you know...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed,</p>
<p>I think you need to re-read my comment again where I discussed your message point for point.</p>
<p>At the risk of repeating myself:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;As for freedom of speech, an individual writer expressing a preference for a certain style or tone of debate is very different from a government proscribing dissent, I do hope you see that rather important distinction. Nobody said extreme voices should be silenced, only that one gets a headache listening to them.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve gone a long way toward actually proving my point.</p>
<p>And yes, I will concede that the &#8220;style point&#8221; was a bit of cheap shot, for which I apologize, but when you come on a blog without having read anything (even the post under discussion &#8212; hence your lecturing General Li on Chinese history), well, you know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://granitestudio.org/2009/02/04/moderate-voices-on-the-sino-us-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-10510</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jed,

(One of my favorite names.)

First off, the quote above is from an essay by General Li Yazhou of the PLA.  I&#039;m guessing that General Li has some familiarity with the imperial exam system.  If you feel the need to direct him to Wikipedia for more information then I have to start worrying about the level of history education in the Chinese military.

The meritocratic nature of the exam system has been a topic of debate in academia for quite some time.  I wrote a &lt;a href=&quot;http://granitestudio.org/2008/06/06/one-from-the-archives-the-gaokao-exams-and-social-mobility-in-chinese-history/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post covering the high points&lt;/a&gt; last year, you might want to check that out for some sources beyond Wiki-world.

As for freedom of speech, an individual writer expressing a preference for a certain style or tone of debate is very different from a government proscribing dissent, I do hope you see that rather important distinction.  Nobody said extreme voices should be silenced, only that one gets a headache listening to them.  

Finally, and this is a little style point, I suggest you avoid beginning sentences with &quot;No doubt, arguably.&quot; Not quite sure what that means, might be best to pick one, the other, or use a whole different opening.

Thanks for stopping by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jed,</p>
<p>(One of my favorite names.)</p>
<p>First off, the quote above is from an essay by General Li Yazhou of the PLA.  I&#8217;m guessing that General Li has some familiarity with the imperial exam system.  If you feel the need to direct him to Wikipedia for more information then I have to start worrying about the level of history education in the Chinese military.</p>
<p>The meritocratic nature of the exam system has been a topic of debate in academia for quite some time.  I wrote a <a href="http://granitestudio.org/2008/06/06/one-from-the-archives-the-gaokao-exams-and-social-mobility-in-chinese-history/" rel="nofollow">post covering the high points</a> last year, you might want to check that out for some sources beyond Wiki-world.</p>
<p>As for freedom of speech, an individual writer expressing a preference for a certain style or tone of debate is very different from a government proscribing dissent, I do hope you see that rather important distinction.  Nobody said extreme voices should be silenced, only that one gets a headache listening to them.  </p>
<p>Finally, and this is a little style point, I suggest you avoid beginning sentences with &#8220;No doubt, arguably.&#8221; Not quite sure what that means, might be best to pick one, the other, or use a whole different opening.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by.</p>
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		<title>By: Shanghai Scrap &#187; In which the China blogger displays his versatility &#8230;</title>
		<link>http://granitestudio.org/2009/02/04/moderate-voices-on-the-sino-us-relationship/comment-page-1/#comment-10496</link>
		<dc:creator>Shanghai Scrap &#187; In which the China blogger displays his versatility &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For those of you uninterested in the legal arguments advanced by a B-list comedian and aspiring senator, I recommend - with real enthusiasm! - David Bandurski&#8217;s superb translations of two &#8220;congenial&#8221; points of view on Chinese-American relation over at the China Media Project. One of the better China-related blog posts that I&#8217;ve read in some time (h/t Granite Studio). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For those of you uninterested in the legal arguments advanced by a B-list comedian and aspiring senator, I recommend &#8211; with real enthusiasm! &#8211; David Bandurski&#8217;s superb translations of two &#8220;congenial&#8221; points of view on Chinese-American relation over at the China Media Project. One of the better China-related blog posts that I&#8217;ve read in some time (h/t Granite Studio). [...]</p>
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