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	<title>Comments on: Chiang Kai-shek: Man of STAMINA! (Move over Bob Dole)</title>
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		<title>By: JXie</title>
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		<dc:creator>JXie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at the end --&gt; &quot;before the _second_ Sino-Japanese war.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at the end &#8211;&gt; &#8220;before the _second_ Sino-Japanese war.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JXie</title>
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		<dc:creator>JXie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindel, a bit knowledge could be useful and you would likely take that big-ass racial chip off your shoulder.  People have been moving from places to places long before some half-witted racial equality crusaders were born.

Even in mid-Ming, there were significant number of Han settlers in the area later called Inner Mongolia (started in Qing).  As early as in the early 1800s, Hans outnumbered Mongolians in Inner Mongolia.  And there were already 80% Hans in Inner Mongolia before the first Sino-Japanese War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindel, a bit knowledge could be useful and you would likely take that big-ass racial chip off your shoulder.  People have been moving from places to places long before some half-witted racial equality crusaders were born.</p>
<p>Even in mid-Ming, there were significant number of Han settlers in the area later called Inner Mongolia (started in Qing).  As early as in the early 1800s, Hans outnumbered Mongolians in Inner Mongolia.  And there were already 80% Hans in Inner Mongolia before the first Sino-Japanese War.</p>
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		<title>By: JXie</title>
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		<dc:creator>JXie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At that time Chiang had control over roughly half of the &quot;official&quot; ROC territory even one includes Xinjiang, of which the warlord barely started siding with him less than 10 years ago and could just easily switch to Soviet Union as easily.  Mongolia was officially gone -- though ROC backpedaled on that.  Manchuria was under the control of Soviet Union.  He had spent the last 2+ decades trying to put all the broken pieces together, slowly and carefully.  

The grand standing on Tibet, according to his own diary, was to encourage Tibetans to fight the British since at least ROC gave them hope of a full independence.  He certainly didn&#039;t foresee the sea-changing events including him being forced out of mainland and Britain being forced out of India.  To him the Great Game at the outter China will continue with the old players minus Japan, but plus a much larger role in the US.  If in 1945 he had had a deal from the above and he could&#039;ve kept the size of current PRC, he would&#039;ve taken it in a heartbeat.    If he had to let go one piece, he would take Manchuria over Xinjiang, and Xinjiang over Tibet, in that order.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At that time Chiang had control over roughly half of the &#8220;official&#8221; ROC territory even one includes Xinjiang, of which the warlord barely started siding with him less than 10 years ago and could just easily switch to Soviet Union as easily.  Mongolia was officially gone &#8212; though ROC backpedaled on that.  Manchuria was under the control of Soviet Union.  He had spent the last 2+ decades trying to put all the broken pieces together, slowly and carefully.  </p>
<p>The grand standing on Tibet, according to his own diary, was to encourage Tibetans to fight the British since at least ROC gave them hope of a full independence.  He certainly didn&#8217;t foresee the sea-changing events including him being forced out of mainland and Britain being forced out of India.  To him the Great Game at the outter China will continue with the old players minus Japan, but plus a much larger role in the US.  If in 1945 he had had a deal from the above and he could&#8217;ve kept the size of current PRC, he would&#8217;ve taken it in a heartbeat.    If he had to let go one piece, he would take Manchuria over Xinjiang, and Xinjiang over Tibet, in that order.</p>
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		<title>By: Pffefer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pffefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremiah,

Maybe I am worse than you think. I just think sometimes those self-righteous (and occasionally hypocritical) foreigners need to give us a break. Enough &quot;do as I say not as I do&quot; thingy. It does not work.</description>
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<p>Maybe I am worse than you think. I just think sometimes those self-righteous (and occasionally hypocritical) foreigners need to give us a break. Enough &#8220;do as I say not as I do&#8221; thingy. It does not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 17:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We here in the US often hold a mirror to ourselves and address our failings and bigotries.
  
It is long overdue for the Han to do the same.

Like you I guess we could try to shift the blame to England for the slave trade and blame the several variations of European Wars for the plight of the Indians. But that does not do anything for people or address the issue.  

I never used the word &quot;ban&quot;.  I merely confronted you with the  racial demographics of Kazahkstan and the province of Nei Menggu in order to give you some inkling of why Tibetans, Mongols, Kazahksm,  Uzbeks, Kirghz, Uighurs might not like you so much and why they were better off when they were subjugated  by Russians.

I guess the Han find it easier to relocate to some one else&#039;s pastoral paradise to bring the gift of crappy government, economic disparity and environmental polution than to face those problems in their own homelands.

Instead of an agent of tyranny be a defender of the weak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We here in the US often hold a mirror to ourselves and address our failings and bigotries.</p>
<p>It is long overdue for the Han to do the same.</p>
<p>Like you I guess we could try to shift the blame to England for the slave trade and blame the several variations of European Wars for the plight of the Indians. But that does not do anything for people or address the issue.  </p>
<p>I never used the word &#8220;ban&#8221;.  I merely confronted you with the  racial demographics of Kazahkstan and the province of Nei Menggu in order to give you some inkling of why Tibetans, Mongols, Kazahksm,  Uzbeks, Kirghz, Uighurs might not like you so much and why they were better off when they were subjugated  by Russians.</p>
<p>I guess the Han find it easier to relocate to some one else&#8217;s pastoral paradise to bring the gift of crappy government, economic disparity and environmental polution than to face those problems in their own homelands.</p>
<p>Instead of an agent of tyranny be a defender of the weak.</p>
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