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	<title>Comments on: The Historical Record for April 15, 2009: The Death of Hu Yaobang</title>
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		<title>By: Rhodo Zeb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhodo Zeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats on your achievement!  Nice post too.  Thanks for bringing perspective to my largely apolitical Shanghai world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats on your achievement!  Nice post too.  Thanks for bringing perspective to my largely apolitical Shanghai world.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 00:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This, for better or worse, reflects the feelings these days of practically every ordinary Chinese I know.&quot;

I think it&#039;s more likely to be a reflection of Chan&#039;s and others&#039; kowtowing to the party, or a fear of who might be listening. Chan&#039;s comments are absurd.

Besides, what the hell has recognising 6/4 got to do with an anarchic free-for-all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This, for better or worse, reflects the feelings these days of practically every ordinary Chinese I know.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s more likely to be a reflection of Chan&#8217;s and others&#8217; kowtowing to the party, or a fear of who might be listening. Chan&#8217;s comments are absurd.</p>
<p>Besides, what the hell has recognising 6/4 got to do with an anarchic free-for-all?</p>
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		<title>By: david0fsangabriel</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This today (4/18/09)  on Yahoo News:

Jackie Chan: Chinese people need to be controlled

Action star Jackie Chan said Saturday he&#039;s not sure if a free society is a good thing for China and that he&#039;s starting to think &quot;we Chinese need to be controlled.&quot;

&quot;I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s good to have freedom or not,&quot; Chan said. &quot;I&#039;m really confused now. If you&#039;re too free, you&#039;re like the way Hong Kong is now. It&#039;s very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic.&quot;

Chan added: &quot;I&#039;m gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled. If we&#039;re not being controlled, we&#039;ll just do what we want.&quot;
  
Chan&#039;s comments drew applause from a predominantly Chinese audience of business leaders in China&#039;s southern island province of Hainan.

This, for better or worse, reflects the feelings these days of practically every ordinary Chinese I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This today (4/18/09)  on Yahoo News:</p>
<p>Jackie Chan: Chinese people need to be controlled</p>
<p>Action star Jackie Chan said Saturday he&#8217;s not sure if a free society is a good thing for China and that he&#8217;s starting to think &#8220;we Chinese need to be controlled.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s good to have freedom or not,&#8221; Chan said. &#8220;I&#8217;m really confused now. If you&#8217;re too free, you&#8217;re like the way Hong Kong is now. It&#8217;s very chaotic. Taiwan is also chaotic.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chan added: &#8220;I&#8217;m gradually beginning to feel that we Chinese need to be controlled. If we&#8217;re not being controlled, we&#8217;ll just do what we want.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chan&#8217;s comments drew applause from a predominantly Chinese audience of business leaders in China&#8217;s southern island province of Hainan.</p>
<p>This, for better or worse, reflects the feelings these days of practically every ordinary Chinese I know.</p>
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		<title>By: stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 05:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shane, you do yourself no favours with knee-jerk responses. It&#039;s all so CCP:

&quot;You got that typical finger-pointing in-your-face laughing-others-while-self-naked European arrongance.&quot;

No; you got that one wrong. Misdirected anger, dear boy.

&quot;There are many things you can learn better from Jeremiah, as well as Chinese when you are in China.&quot;

Yes; you&#039;re on the money with that one. There are a few gaps in your own &#039;learning&#039; I suspect, despite your claim of having been a witness to the whole thing.

&quot;Strange thing is that you got so high and hyped for 1989 event today.&quot;

Strange? Nanjing ring any bells? Cognitive dissonance anyone?

It an issue that has not been adequately dealt with by a government (and many citizens) in denial. That same government was pretty hyped itself a couple of weeks ago over &#039;serf&#039;s emancipation day&#039;. I&#039;ll leave you to remember that momentous occasion; best give Tiananmen those who aren&#039;t quite so hard-wired.

If you were really there your account would be interesting; but i doubt that it would be objective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shane, you do yourself no favours with knee-jerk responses. It&#8217;s all so CCP:</p>
<p>&#8220;You got that typical finger-pointing in-your-face laughing-others-while-self-naked European arrongance.&#8221;</p>
<p>No; you got that one wrong. Misdirected anger, dear boy.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are many things you can learn better from Jeremiah, as well as Chinese when you are in China.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes; you&#8217;re on the money with that one. There are a few gaps in your own &#8216;learning&#8217; I suspect, despite your claim of having been a witness to the whole thing.</p>
<p>&#8220;Strange thing is that you got so high and hyped for 1989 event today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Strange? Nanjing ring any bells? Cognitive dissonance anyone?</p>
<p>It an issue that has not been adequately dealt with by a government (and many citizens) in denial. That same government was pretty hyped itself a couple of weeks ago over &#8216;serf&#8217;s emancipation day&#8217;. I&#8217;ll leave you to remember that momentous occasion; best give Tiananmen those who aren&#8217;t quite so hard-wired.</p>
<p>If you were really there your account would be interesting; but i doubt that it would be objective.</p>
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		<title>By: shane9219</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 04:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stuart:

You also should know that I am speaking of myself being a college student of a major university in 1989, involved and witnessed the entire event.  

Strange thing is that you got so high and hyped for 1989 event today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stuart:</p>
<p>You also should know that I am speaking of myself being a college student of a major university in 1989, involved and witnessed the entire event.  </p>
<p>Strange thing is that you got so high and hyped for 1989 event today.</p>
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