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	<title>Comments on: Green Dam, spring break sorority girls, and Jaime Escalante (yes, there IS a connection.)</title>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,

EVERYBODY knows that.  Because you mention it in almost every thread you pollute.

That&#039;s why it was in &quot;QUOTES&quot; dumbass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,</p>
<p>EVERYBODY knows that.  Because you mention it in almost every thread you pollute.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it was in &#8220;QUOTES&#8221; dumbass.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Liu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the &quot;motherland&quot; stuff...

Just for the record, I ain&#039;t from Mainland China, ain&#039;t never been citizen of the PRC a day in my life.

I think your bigotry is evident - I&#039;m American, moron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the &#8220;motherland&#8221; stuff&#8230;</p>
<p>Just for the record, I ain&#8217;t from Mainland China, ain&#8217;t never been citizen of the PRC a day in my life.</p>
<p>I think your bigotry is evident &#8211; I&#8217;m American, moron.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 03:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kai,

This guy is everywhere, and always with the same arguments.  Trust me, Charlie&#039;s relationship with &quot;original analysis&quot; and &quot;critical thinking&quot; makes the union of Jon and Kate look like it was built on bedrock.  He goes from blog to blog, reads the title or the first sentence, and if it fits one of his programmed &quot;topics&quot; he spews forth a prepared cut/paste job of links and half-assed arguments to defend the &quot;motherland.&quot;  

Generally speaking, as with a drunk baby, it&#039;s often rather disturbingly funny in its own special way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai,</p>
<p>This guy is everywhere, and always with the same arguments.  Trust me, Charlie&#8217;s relationship with &#8220;original analysis&#8221; and &#8220;critical thinking&#8221; makes the union of Jon and Kate look like it was built on bedrock.  He goes from blog to blog, reads the title or the first sentence, and if it fits one of his programmed &#8220;topics&#8221; he spews forth a prepared cut/paste job of links and half-assed arguments to defend the &#8220;motherland.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Generally speaking, as with a drunk baby, it&#8217;s often rather disturbingly funny in its own special way.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, this guy is on CNR also...with the same arguments. 

Green Dam is censorship when its user is under one impression about what it will do and it does something else. In this case, Green Dam is touted as anti-vulgar content, but it also conveniently filters out political content or other non-vulgar content deemed objectionable by the censor (the government). 

Just because you can uninstall it or hack it doesn&#039;t mean it wasn&#039;t software that engaged in censorship, just as not going online in China doesn&#039;t mean the internet isn&#039;t censored in China. 

Charles, your argument is flimsy and it may rest in your understanding of what &quot;censorship&quot; means. Look it up. Easy way: go to Google, type &quot;define: censorship&quot; and tap &quot;enter&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, this guy is on CNR also&#8230;with the same arguments. </p>
<p>Green Dam is censorship when its user is under one impression about what it will do and it does something else. In this case, Green Dam is touted as anti-vulgar content, but it also conveniently filters out political content or other non-vulgar content deemed objectionable by the censor (the government). </p>
<p>Just because you can uninstall it or hack it doesn&#8217;t mean it wasn&#8217;t software that engaged in censorship, just as not going online in China doesn&#8217;t mean the internet isn&#8217;t censored in China. </p>
<p>Charles, your argument is flimsy and it may rest in your understanding of what &#8220;censorship&#8221; means. Look it up. Easy way: go to Google, type &#8220;define: censorship&#8221; and tap &#8220;enter&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem like a smart guy, so I&#039;ll let you figure that one out for yourself.  But it&#039;s fair to say that I have little patience for either the chronically disingenuous or the willfully naive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem like a smart guy, so I&#8217;ll let you figure that one out for yourself.  But it&#8217;s fair to say that I have little patience for either the chronically disingenuous or the willfully naive.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Liu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feel free to focus on the &quot;state-sponsored&quot; part, but the facts show end users are under no obligation to run this software - how can it be seen as censorship?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feel free to focus on the &#8220;state-sponsored&#8221; part, but the facts show end users are under no obligation to run this software &#8211; how can it be seen as censorship?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
		<link>http://granitestudio.org/2009/06/16/green-dam-spring-break-sorority-girls-and-jaime-escalante-yes-there-is-a-connection/comment-page-1/#comment-12463</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 02:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, now that you&#039;ve got me thinking about this aspect (apart from the topic of &quot;Jinhui&#039;s software people are as dumb as rocks but not nearly as stupid as the government drones who hired them&quot;), obligation or no, it does seem the State is pretty involved in the project:

From today&#039;s edition of that bastion of Zhongguo-bashing western media propaganda, &lt;em&gt;The China Daily&lt;/em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-06/23/content_8310398.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The Chinese government is calling for Green Dam software, which limits access to violent and pornographic websites, to be included with all computers sold on the Chinese mainland starting July 1.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess it depends on how you define &quot;sponsor.&quot; Again from TBOZGBWMP, &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2009-06/19/content_8299940.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The China Daily&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The Green Dam-Youth Escort software has been controversial, as the Chinese government paid 41.7 million yuan ($6 million) and ordered that the software must be included in all computers sold on the mainland from July 1.&lt;/blockquote&gt;


I dunno.  Looks like a tough call there, ump.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, now that you&#8217;ve got me thinking about this aspect (apart from the topic of &#8220;Jinhui&#8217;s software people are as dumb as rocks but not nearly as stupid as the government drones who hired them&#8221;), obligation or no, it does seem the State is pretty involved in the project:</p>
<p>From today&#8217;s edition of that bastion of Zhongguo-bashing western media propaganda, <em>The China Daily</em><a href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2009-06/23/content_8310398.htm" rel="nofollow"></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;The Chinese government is calling for Green Dam software, which limits access to violent and pornographic websites, to be included with all computers sold on the Chinese mainland starting July 1.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess it depends on how you define &#8220;sponsor.&#8221; Again from TBOZGBWMP, <em><a href="http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/2009-06/19/content_8299940.htm" rel="nofollow">The China Daily</a></em>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The Green Dam-Youth Escort software has been controversial, as the Chinese government paid 41.7 million yuan ($6 million) and ordered that the software must be included in all computers sold on the mainland from July 1.</p></blockquote>
<p>I dunno.  Looks like a tough call there, ump.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie,

Why would I WANT to install it? I&#039;ve read the sufficient reports by trained technicians recommending that I not install it.  I don&#039;t have to try arsenic to listen to advice by doctors that it&#039;s a bad idea to add it to my milkshake.  

BUT if you want to review the software and post the results on YOUR blog, I&#039;ll be happy to check it out.  

Ps. You might want to add a post on why the Clippers ROCK as an NBA franchise, it&#039;s a rough equivalent of what you&#039;re trying to do, but, you know, knock yourself out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie,</p>
<p>Why would I WANT to install it? I&#8217;ve read the sufficient reports by trained technicians recommending that I not install it.  I don&#8217;t have to try arsenic to listen to advice by doctors that it&#8217;s a bad idea to add it to my milkshake.  </p>
<p>BUT if you want to review the software and post the results on YOUR blog, I&#8217;ll be happy to check it out.  </p>
<p>Ps. You might want to add a post on why the Clippers ROCK as an NBA franchise, it&#8217;s a rough equivalent of what you&#8217;re trying to do, but, you know, knock yourself out.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Liu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Liu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeremy, I am responding to your first sentence, which clearly made the censorship implication against Green Dam.

Let&#039;s get this one out of the way, maybe I&#039;ll share with you my experience with Green Dam - yup, unlike your lot, I actually installed Green Dam and tried it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeremy, I am responding to your first sentence, which clearly made the censorship implication against Green Dam.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get this one out of the way, maybe I&#8217;ll share with you my experience with Green Dam &#8211; yup, unlike your lot, I actually installed Green Dam and tried it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I explained it already in my comment above.  Do you want me to do it again using smaller words?

Your problem, Charlie, now, before, and likely in the future, isn&#039;t your reading comprehension, it&#039;s that YOU NEVER READ.  

And you did it again here.  You read the first line of the post and then skipped right to the comments section and began cutting/pasting away.  

If you HAD read the post, you would have learned (Learn: Means to find out something new, not one of your strong points we know) that your comment was TOTALLY irrelevant to what the post was about.

You have to read more than one sentence.  Come on, didn&#039;t you learn any of this in those expensive test-prep courses you had to take so you could get into a decent US school?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I explained it already in my comment above.  Do you want me to do it again using smaller words?</p>
<p>Your problem, Charlie, now, before, and likely in the future, isn&#8217;t your reading comprehension, it&#8217;s that YOU NEVER READ.  </p>
<p>And you did it again here.  You read the first line of the post and then skipped right to the comments section and began cutting/pasting away.  </p>
<p>If you HAD read the post, you would have learned (Learn: Means to find out something new, not one of your strong points we know) that your comment was TOTALLY irrelevant to what the post was about.</p>
<p>You have to read more than one sentence.  Come on, didn&#8217;t you learn any of this in those expensive test-prep courses you had to take so you could get into a decent US school?</p>
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